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Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 02:43 AM

Dear mothers, help with advice.
The child is 4.3 years old. Went to the Logosad since September. Hints "The child is complicated, not like everyone else" went at once. Moreover, before that, he went to an ordinary garden for six months and no one complained about him, only he did not communicate with the children, he was perfectly in touch with adults. The child spoke only in February, that is, when he was 3.8. Now, in six months, there is a huge progress in speech, but, of course, it lags far behind peers. Probably speaks like a three-year-old.
In general, in the new kindergarten they are not satisfied that the child is VERY active, runs everywhere, does not listen to teachers (for some reason he listened in another kindergarten), does not play with children (but recently he began to make some attempts) and most importantly - does not sleep in a quiet hour (again, everything was ok in that garden) and interferes with other children and the educators cannot do anything with him. He does not work with children in a group - he disrupts classes, and does not work individually with a speech therapist either.
The pressure has been going on for a month. Yesterday they openly said that they could not kick us out, but there was no place for us in this garden. Today they told me that the development of my child is 2 years old and that he can still be saved, but something urgently needs to be done, to run away everywhere he needs a psychiatrist, a correctional garden and an attendant in this garden.
We did an EEG in the summer, the result is good, everything is as old as it should be. A year ago we went to the institute of a correctional teacher when the child did not speak at all and there they gave him an EEG with features of the emotional-volitional sphere. Now we signed up again. Before that we went to a neurologist, no one - I did not find any pathology other than speech, we have never been diagnosed with any diagnoses such as ZPR or ZPRR or something indicative of problems with intellect.
The son knows how to count up to a hundred, from 2.5 years old he knows all geometric shapes, colors, letters, numbers, has all the skills of self-service, is well versed with a TV, set-top box, computer and telephone, masterly remembers the road (even the long one), orients himself almost better me, if he and I once traveled along this path, and I have never focused on this.
Since spring, a child has been going to study with a speech therapist-defectologist, who can work out with him perfectly for 40 minutes, that is, he is certainly distracted, can jump around her, but classes are going on, she praises him and says that there is a very good dynamic, but I myself can see that the child's speech is developing, she puts sounds to him, does a massage of the tongue. And this speech therapist-defectologist, who deals with very difficult children, told me that in no case should you send a child to a correctional kindergarten, because the children there are very difficult and My child will repeat after them. In addition, there are cases when children graduate from this kindergarten and then they are sent to the children's department of Kashchenko, they are diagnosed with schizophrenia, the school is corresponding then, in general, the future is gloomy ...
Who can say anything about remedial gardens? Is there any experience? Or generally give advice on what to do in this situation?
They already actively want to transfer us to a correctional kindergarten for children with mental disabilities, but I'm still thinking whether we should try to return to our old kindergarten, where the child did not have any problems, and about speech problems, we are already working with our speech therapist, and the child has no sense at all from the logosad; educators and teachers there hate him and consider him a fool.

Oct 6 2011, 03:56 AM

Is there an opportunity to return to the old garden? I would probably come back. the main thing is the contact, not the name of the garden. all the more so, you work separately with a speech therapist-defectologist.
there are also inclusive gardens. children with special behavior are taken there (1-2 people per group), but at the same time the child develops among ordinary peers, studies according to the general program. he may be recommended additionally classes with a psychologist and speech therapist. a child is released from there with an ordinary card, like everyone else (if you yourself do not want to indicate something special to it).

about the correctional garden. they are different. you probably don't really need to go there. but the fact that children are automatically released to the children's department of Kashchenko is nonsense. only the mother decides where to study for the child, where to receive treatment, where to undergo what examinations. they can recommend (!) you to undergo an examination. and then - just what kind of examination, and not WHERE to take it. and private paid centers do not record the history of the survey in the general database / map.
now, according to the law, a mother can send even a sick child to a general education school. has the right to. another question - if the school does not want to accept him, she will try to push him out. but cannot accept it.
if you are afraid that visiting the kindergarten will affect your enrollment in school, you can say at school that you did not visit the kindergarten. and make a medical card for school "from scratch".

the child in the garden should be comfortable. I would vote for the first garden + many, many private special classes.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 11:00 AM

Thank you very much for your answer!

Oct 6 2011, 01:15 PM

Return to the old garden. A good belt for the child, so that he behaves normally!
With mine, too, problems began at your age (I did not know anything from what yours knows), with the help of a speech therapist, they fixed everything. Now the child is ahead of many in development, although the youngest in the group. And the behavior returned to normal.
God forbid from the correctional garden, they will disfigure a normal baby for you there.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 01:56 PM

Thank you, Sonata! :)
We would now return to the old garden, but something tells me that they won't just transfer from the Logos Garden to the usual one, here I have arranged a problem for myself, I would have left it in the old one and I wouldn’t have known trouble ...

Oct 6 2011, 02:35 PM

And it seems to me that the child's adaptation to the new kindergarten - hence the unwillingness to sleep during the day, and disobedience (used to educators from the old kindergarten). Since in the new, judging by the description, grymzy, and not educators - return to the old garden.
It is better to be left completely without a garden than to get a referral to a correctional institution - especially since you have a developed healthy baby. Run from there.

Oct 6 2011, 02:52 PM

UzhOs. Why did you translate it into the logo garden ????

For this reason, I refused to transfer my own to the logogroup, suggesting how everything could end. We found a speech therapist and began to study.

By the way, your boy's behavior problems are most likely caused by speech problems! So, in any case, our speech therapist thinks. Those. as soon as my child spoke well, he stopped fighting, his aggression decreased (he was aggressive, because he was freaked out that he was not understood), authority appeared among his peers, the child began to make progress in the lessons (correct motivation).

We must do all we can to bring him back to the old garden.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 03:28 PM

In the summer he went to this garden in a group a year older. There were no problems: he slept and walked as it should, the only thing he did not communicate with the children, but I also write this off because he spoke late, because now he has a boy appeared in the group, with whom he likes to play, he also played with the girl, that is, he begins to socialize somehow. The problem began only after September 1, when two new teachers appeared and the speech therapist also hates Sasha.
He, of course, has some behavioral features that look strange from the outside (maybe running around the group and screaming excitedly in the game), but the child learns the garden program, serves himself, etc., that is, there are problems with behavior, but they say that he is inadequate and does not understand the word "must not" ... Although he understands with us, but with him it is necessary to be stricter, I said this, and in response to me: "But all the children, they understand everything, they do everything, everyone is asleep or if they do not sleep, they lie quietly, and children like yours have no place in our garden. "
So I will try to return to the old one, everything was not perfect there either (I broke a stroller for one girl, I bought a new one, everyone was happy), but there was not even a hint of what was here ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 03:40 PM

I translated it into the logo garden, because there were no such problems in the first one, I thought that the logo garden was just for him, because in the first garden the children generally spoke VERY well and all the teachers told us: "You should go to a speech therapy garden, there are few children, they will study with him, because we cannot devote a lot of time to him ", but in a simple kindergarten, the educators on their own initiative sat and studied with books! , he spoke 10 words, when he left after 4 months he already made up sentences and explained.
And in the Logosad we are told that, on the contrary, our speech is a symptom of some kind of disease and that we have a good EEG, neurologists do not see any nutcase. deviations - they don’t care Sasha already speaks much better, but doesn’t give a reason, asks almost no questions except "Mom, what are you doing there?" or "Where is dad \ car \ any toy?" the child is not the easiest, but it seems to me that he is not even developed for two years, as I was told yesterday ...

Oct 6 2011, 03:56 PM

Ask back to the garden, for the child - a good speech therapist (well, you have one), the regime and stricter. You, as I understand it, are hyper. There is a topic about hyperactive children. I'm also hyper. What affects them: the unity of requirements (otherwise they are lost and begin to induce anarchy), the unrelenting fulfillment of the regime, severity. He needs help to control himself, and the sphere of control in such children is very poorly developed.
Hyperactivity is considered an extreme variant of the norm, but such children are very uncomfortable for kindergartens and schools. Prepare for war before it outgrows.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 04:58 PM

You know, I also thought about hyperactivity ... but it seems to me that this is not exactly our case, although maybe you will correct me:
Sasha went late, crawled, sat down, and so on (within normal limits, but extreme - he went in a year or two). He did not want to walk down the street for up to a year and a half, he only wanted to ride in a wheelchair.
Then he can sit quietly quietly for an hour without getting up, leafing through new interesting books or poking around in my phone (there are cartoons, videos, photos, TV, there is something to do). He can be very active on the street, at home, playing mobile games with his dad. games, in the old garden he could also run wild, start running around yelling, throwing something (and in the new one it is all the time). But now she put me to sleep for an hour, sits quietly in the crib of a book looking, there is no sound.
As far as I understand, hyperactive children can sit quietly for a maximum of 5 minutes, they sit down very early, crawl, walk and do not sleep during the day, but when the button is pressed they are cut down in the evening.

Severity really works on Sasha, but sometimes he will do something for a toy / candy, for example, "Sash, do you want Kopatych? (We have a hit Smeshariki right now), Then you need to rest, sit on the crib and sleep." for something, to speak strictly, but calmly. In general, in general, they never complained to me in that garden and in this summer that he did not sleep ... And how is it with you in the garden?

I’m thinking, what kind of sedative can I give to a child? Of course, I will consult with experts in advance.
I am interested in your opinion: did you somehow treat your child with medication or are you against it?

Oct 6 2011, 05:13 PM

What about Sasha's group assignments? Well, play ball, put together something from the constructor, draw something together? (together with children, not with mom)

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 05:51 PM

Yeah ... medication, so not a panacea)

Together with me, even collecting and drawing something - this is not at all for Sasha. They barely forced the pyramid to collect by 2.5 !!! He now assembles more complex pyramids for his age perfectly well, but all this collectively is not quite his. At one time he liked to draw, but it was about two years old - kalyaks, then now he liked to paint with paints, but it’s not for long and also clumsy. Sasha instantly grasps how to handle any technique (TV, set-top box, spending DVD, telephone), so he can watch the cartoon) Knows the correct cartoon number, even if there is no number indicating the number. In general, ours are letters, numbers, colors, shapes, buttons, technology - I learned all this in a month, he knows any colors in general.

Today we are walking with him by the hand, he suddenly says to me "I want to give a left handle" and comes up to me from the other side to give me a left handle. It seems to me that this behavior is not typical for a 4 year old ... Although, maybe I'm wrong.

Oct 6 2011, 09:25 PM

During intensive "treatment" we:
- went to the kindergarten every day, picked up after a quiet hour
- trained 3 times a week with a speech therapist
- once a week hippotherapy
- Once a week (4 hours) - psychologist (Saturday)
- Saturday evening - swimming pool
- massage once a week
- kinesiotherapist once a week
- defectologist 2 times a week
+ medical support

but we didn’t study at home. at home she had a non-working attitude. I had to carry.

we started talking at about 3.5 ... well, so .. at least it became clear. but wrong.

this is typical for 3-4-year-olds ... the son knows both left-right and so on ... he does not count up to 100, but he knows everything, he can.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 12:23 AM

Wow !!! This is the treatment !!! Seriously! How long did you have such active treatment?

Where did you find a psychologist?
Do you think swimming and hippotherapy helped a lot?
What kind of massage?
I hear about a kinesiotherapist for the first time

I thought that a logosad and a speech therapist defectologist were already superb, but it turns out how much more is needed !!

Oct 7 2011, 08:48 AM

This pyramid was given to you. I still don't collect

He is uncomfortable, that's all. I, for example, arm in arm with my husband, too, always only go to the left.
Does he not interact with your children at all? (the husband has an older child with autistic traits - he has grown a lot, something has been corrected - however, later)
IMHO - you have a healthy child who develops with his own schedule. Stop comparing, return the child to a team in which he is comfortable and continue to study with a speech therapist.

Oct 7 2011, 10:10 AM

Change the kindergarten (although it is very difficult !!!), or at least a group, otherwise the child will be muffled there, they will be considered an outsider and abnormal! Maybe we can discuss this topic with a kindergarten teacher?

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 01:20 PM

Well, he differs from his peers in the garden - everyone is sitting together and playing together, Sasha is running around alone (this is in this garden, in that he could sit quietly and watch a book).

Well, I say - grymzy Zatyuku child, do you need it?

Not at all)

So what? Well, he broke it - children.

And I already have a complex - it seems to me that if Sasha does something like that and they somehow pay attention to it, then only Sasha does it and this is VERY abnormal.

Far from two, judging by the skills listed. It seems to me that the "why" depends on when the child began to speak - if later - then he will ask later. Of course, it's not worth letting go - but you are clearly not suitable for a correctional garden either. Moreover, neurologists do not see any abnormalities.

Well, I also attribute almost all of his behavioral features to the fact that I spoke late and our speech therapist-defectologist agrees with this. from an infant to 12 years old) come up and grab a toy ... Small children cry, big ones freak out from such impudence) We teach that it is impossible, etc., he even understands, but he can still vomit if he likes something very much. He plays smeshariki with himself, quoting them, muttering to himself and dancing, it looks fun from the outside ... But without these such chips, he makes the impression of absolutely normal.

I have a hyper nephew. Concentration of attention (4 years in May was) is enough for a maximum of 2-3 minutes (there is not even talk about 5). He moves exclusively by jogging, such a motor - the guard THIS cannot be confused with anything. They said it would outgrow. We are not hyper for sure - but rage, IMHO, any child can, if not stopped in time.

And they take this rage for inappropriate behavior, because they cannot stop him, but he is really some kind of overexcited and nervous in that garden, now we sit at home, much quieter, finds at him that he can jump and scream, But for a minute at most and I don't know if it is normal or not. I already have no idea what is normal and what is not.

Yes. Educators need to be treated with medication. And electricity. Not your case, definitely

Tell them what?)) The husband is terribly angry with them, wants them to make a scandal there, but first, Sasha needs everything to be ok in another garden, plus I think it's pointless to make a scandal - they don't care.

He just started in this garden just a couple of weeks ago. A girl alone said that he played with her, he liked the boy, they also played somehow, and Sasha said that he liked to play with him.

It's nice to hear that, especially after all the "slop" that was poured on us.
My problem is that I constantly compare and everything is not in Sasha's favor ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 01:47 PM

It's good for you, at least you have the opportunity to work, But I can't imagine what I would do now if I worked. I can officially take the child to this garden, but after all this I will not take it for anything. Yesterday I had to take three hours , because I had to drive off, when the speech therapist took me away angrily said that Sasha had broken her pipe for classes and that I would "deign to buy." And in August he even slept in this garden and never broke anything ...

I can't ask Sasha, "Why are you doing this?" probably spoke at 3.5 years old, and phrasal speech at 3.9 went somewhere. Now he can say: "Mom, the bear is lost, I just can't find him" - this is probably one of the most difficult phrases that he said, but he is progressing every day, which I am very happy about, and it was at that moment that they told me that he was mentally retarded inadequate ...

We will definitely change, on Monday I will go to the kindergarten acquisition department (or whatever it is called) and I will talk, I wanted to go yesterday, but they said that about the transfer to another kindergarten - this is only on Monday.

Oct 7 2011, 01:51 PM

Well Duc, if these grymzy got rid of all the "uncomfortable" children in this way - they have children who are easy to train - where they put them, they sit there

Kukaryamba

Oct 7 2011, 02:10 PM

Normal child, sanctimonious word. In short, I completely agree with the socket: pour the educators and mom to calm down. And find a normal garden or somehow put the aunts in place in the current one.

Damn, a minute. God forbid, if the running around for half an hour or an hour - usually, if the weather is bad and not walking - my all day rushes and jumps - well, with 10 minute breaks for quieter games Maybe just all Sasha's mobile and loud boys?
Stop comparing. And then you get it, like with a medical reference book - anyone to whom he falls into his hands, at first looks for all diseases in himself by symptoms - and finds, even if he is healthy

I have Vova, not Sasha, and all the same - a brain drain. HOW he can jump is generally a separate sausage.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 03:29 PM

They position it so that all NORMAL children are "easy to train" and if someone is not easy - then he is a crazy inadequate, who needs a psychiatrist.
The problem is that they are already preparing a description of a psychologist from this garden, and there it will obviously be creepy, I need a certificate from a psychiatrist that he is NORMAL, and I can get to a psychiatrist not earlier than in a month, we also have an appointment at the institute corrected pedagogy on the 20th (a year ago they were there and they did not see horrors), it seems to me that it’s so easy from the logo garden, where they will say about Sasha that he will not transfer us crazy, we need to stock up on all the information ... in short, there will be a merry war, hope to win

Most children break toys. And adults too. And about some they say - "a born tester" (the one who looks for mistakes where they should not be) - about those whose cats always fall on their backs from their hands, butter down sandwiches, etc.

Well, maybe this is already some kind of self-spinning ...

Mothers will correct me if this is not so. I walk on the playground - and almost any child from 3 to 5-6 comes up and easily takes away toys from my son. So I think it's the norm.

I've never seen anything like it in my life, on the contrary, everyone freaks out when Sasha does it, and in the garden, according to the teachers, no one ever does anything like that except Sasha. But he doesn't seem to take anything away from children in the garden either.

Damn, a minute. God forbid, if the running around for half an hour or an hour - usually, if the weather is bad and not walking - my all day rushes and jumps - well, with 10 minute breaks for quieter games Maybe just all Sasha's mobile and loud boys?

Right now she put him to bed, mutters something quite loudly, plays, sits, jumps out of bed, jumps from it (that is, it would interfere with the children’s sleep), then after these "manipulations" he falls asleep ... but it used to be The same is always the case, but somehow they dealt with him before these educators ... were they stuffed with sleeping pills or what ??!: wacko: (While I finished writing everything, he seemed to fall asleep, the silence is there ...)

Yes, I try not to compare, but I come to the garden to pick it up, all the children (To the logo garden !!!) "Hello, look what I have, and what kind of blouse / toy I have!" Other children: "And mine is better, look!" and so on, Sasha sits, buried in a magazine about Smeshariki, and, judging by his appearance, he is deeply parallel to what is happening there, who has what blouses, what is their name, he turns to me and shows me all the Smeshariki drawn in magazine, calling them by name ... and EVERYTHING and so can several times in a circle.
This, of course, kills when there is such a clear contrast. But then he can talk about something normally, but not at all like other children, like "Mom, I want to go to the store, let's go buy an accordion!" . He now has a trick - he collects all musical instruments, we already have a piano, a guitar, a pipe (well, everything is childish, of course). And he somehow himself guessed that these were all musical instruments, but he saw an accordion in the picture with a smesharik and has been begging for a month.
Everything goes on for him, "I want this, I want that, let's go buy it" (spoiled terribly for the last time). So we talk about smeshariki, toys that are interesting to him, cartoons, TV, restaurants, well, in general about all sorts of entertainment. It seems to me that at the age of 4, the child is actively interested in the world around him, compares everything, etc. Sasha in a nutshell.
They started about the seasons, he says to me "I want snow, new year and gifts and smiles happily, in anticipation of gifts."

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 03:38 PM

Aunts in the current one is already unrealistic and I don't want to.
It’s unrealistic because the head of the school has already undertaken to transfer us to a correctional garden, but I don’t want to, because educators and speech therapists hate him there. I don’t want my child to go where they treat him like an idiot with the words: “Run !! you can still save !! I feel so sorry for him! " and behave accordingly with him.

The teacher puts him to bed cool, tells me: "I hold him on the bed with my hand so that he does not get up, he cries and I am with him," I could not even comment on this from shock ... It is generally pointless to keep him by force, then he really starts to cry and be indignant.

Oct 7 2011, 04:41 PM

Otherwise, they silence the re.
Later I will write what I think about the situation.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 04:50 PM

Thanks a lot!!!
Only the only thing is that it’s useless for the head to write to the teacher, because the head herself, in the presence of the teacher, began to ask me about the psychiatrist and softly let me down that a correctional garden was needed, they both settled on me that a difficult child, there are no such children in the garden, inappropriate behavior , psychiatrist, etc. And I am also afraid of this psychological characteristic from the psychologist Sadovsky, she will write there for the correctional garden SO she will write that mom do not grieve!
It remains only to rely on information from neurologists, psychiatrists and the Institute of Corrections. pedagogy.
And it's not a fact that they still won't slap us with some kind of ZPRR ...

Oct 7 2011, 06:30 PM

There is a city PMPK, you can enroll a child on it - not from the garden, but by herself. The PMPK will give its conclusion after talking with re (naturally, they will not know the characteristics from the garden, you can even tell them that the child is not a Sadovian). It's free. After examining re, they will give an opinion, which can be proudly waved in preschool, citing the incompetence of the manager and the garden. Or quietly break it up and throw it away, if the conclusion does not suit you, draw conclusions for yourself and work with re.

Maybe the manager wants money stupidly?

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 07:33 PM

And how can you get to this PMPK, how do you know when and where it will be?
And the opinion of specialists from the center of correctional pedagogy for the kindergarten will not be so weighty?

No, I don’t think that she wants money, they’re afraid to take it, the manager is very understanding there and I like her, it seems to me that the educators who always run to her because of Sasha complain about him and say how hard it’s all and terrible.

I think his adaptation is difficult + he has not made friends yet + bad praises.
And the manager is not so wonderful, since she cannot build her own team, so that they do not run and complain.

Sarah Conor

Oct 7 2011, 09:18 PM

The city PMPK is located on the basis of the 6th children's neuropsychiatric hospital. You can get there in the direction of the district psychiatrist in 2 stages - he will direct the re. in the 6th hospital, and the psychiatrist in the 6th is already at the PMPK.

Oct 7 2011, 10:31 PM

I'm afraid of all these hospitals ...
In general, I trust the institute of corrections most of all. Last year I went to a regional center for problem children (I forgot what it is called correctly, in every district there is such a thing), so there were different specialists, including from some psycho-neurological hospital, and this one from the hospital for me Calmly said that Sasha most likely had an alalia (Sasha did not speak at all then), but of course he said that he needed to be examined, I was terribly frightened.
Then I got to the Institute of Corrections. pedagogy, where they told me that Sasha had no alalia and even explained why. In the end, it turned out that it really was not alalia, because he soon spoke without any medication.

I mean, I’m afraid that they’ll instruct him there that he’s going to go and die right away.
Since I realized that there are doctors who do not see anything at all, even if it is in front of their noses, and there are those who make terrible diagnoses when there are practically no grounds ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 8 2011, 01:55 AM

You are a mother-heroine !!! You need a monument during your lifetime !!! I'm serious!!
Even during pregnancy and with a baby ... for me this is just the height of heroism.
I thought that I was a super mother when I took Sasha twice a week to a speech therapist and waited in the car for 40 minutes, watching movies on my phone

I’m also thinking about a psychologist or a neuropsychologist ... I was advised by a neuropsychologist, but I haven’t found it yet ... and we also want a pool.

- there is a purpose






By the way, we also went to the center of Ronald McDonald. there for difficult kids. but it's great to start there: there are few such patient and sincere people. + all classes are structured in such a way that no one will look askance at the running boy, but they will also be "forced" to do it (they will persuade them in normal ways). there we went to lego. this center is free. what is not less important. because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand a month for various activities ... not counting the dolphin therapy in the summer.
group sports activities are just what you need!
- there are quite simple rules
- there is a purpose
- this is a team game, that is, you need to interact
is a fast game so commands are given (short simple words). it makes it easier to understand. he understands, they understand him!
- the result is immediately visible. he is specific.
- there is a coach, and you have to listen to him.
- there is an example of other guys. who obey and get things done.
it is not your concern how it will be worn there. You are taking your son there not for professional football or gymnastics skills, but specifically for teaching interaction on a simple, sporting example.
we went to the group, there was an "obstacle course". I had to crawl somewhere, climb somewhere, slide down, crawl .. children's happiness knew no bounds. and there was not a single child who did not! and the children were sooooo different and complicated! and even then they played doubles.
By the way, we also went to the center of Ronald McDonald. there for difficult kids. but it's great to start there: there are few such patient and sincere people. + all classes are structured in such a way that no one will look askance at the running boy, but they will also be "forced" to do it (they will persuade them in normal ways). there we went to lego. this center is free. what is not less important. because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand a month for various activities ... not counting the dolphin therapy in the summer. Yeah ... medication, so not a panacea)

I’m talking about medication ... no, not treatment, rather, medication correction, I want to say. We are hyperactive, also with RRR, they were sent to a correctional garden, but our neuropathologist said that it makes sense to go with ordinary children - in our correctional our level will be high, which will sooner fall. I prescribed classes with a speech therapist and additionally - a sedative, no, not phenibut, but tenoten - it acts exactly as a sedative, only the difference is this:
- you need to drink it as a course, and not give it in moments of high activity
- reduces anxiety and activity (excitability, aggression), but at the same time -
- does not lead to a stupor state, does not tend to sleep
- helps to concentrate memory and attention (useful for classes)

We caught up with the average rate in about four months, despite the fact that we were almost a year behind in speech.

It is believed that a speech therapy garden is a certain "stigma" in a child's personal file. Is it really?

First, let's figure out what a speech therapy group is?

Correctional groups are divided into speech (speech therapy) and groups of children with mental retardation (delayed psycho-speech development).

In speech therapy groups, they put sounds that were not there, and correct incorrectly pronounced ones (correction of speech defects), enrich the vocabulary, develop phonemic perception, coherent speech, and teach the correct grammatical design. In the senior and preparatory groups, they are preparing for literacy training.

Both a speech therapist and a defectologist (in addition to educators with the necessary qualifications) work in the DPR groups.

Every year for different ages is a multifaceted work. There are kindergartens where all groups are speech. There are - where there are only groups with ZPR.

There are gardens where speech (speech therapy) groups + groups with ZPR + ordinary groups = a combined garden. There is an ordinary garden with a speech center. Only children with impaired pronunciation are enrolled in the speech center.

But in any case, a speech therapy group in our time is not a punishment, but, most likely, a reward, because it has become more difficult to get there, and the general underdevelopment of speech is easier to correct in the garden, where all work is aimed at eliminating this problem.

Perhaps it is no longer a secret for anyone that in speech therapy training of children, no offense will be told to anyone, sometimes it is much stronger than in mass kindergartens. Because kids from a speech therapy kindergarten come to school with a much better vocabulary than children from a regular kindergarten. They know more, they have a wider vocabulary, many skills are better formed, from graphic skills, sound-letter analysis and ending with storytelling from pictures. Generalizing concepts are better formed. That is, children come from speech therapy kindergartens even more prepared.

You will be able to independently track the progress of your child's priority in the Electronic Register of Future Pupils.

Step 2. Go to a speech therapist at the district clinic.

The speech therapist examines the child, gives a referral for passing the PMPK (psychological, medical and pedagogical commission).

Step 3. Collect several references for PMPK:

• from an ENT doctor,
• ophthalmologist,
• pediatrician,
• neuropathologist (for children under 3 years old),
• psychiatrist.

Step 4. Find the address of your county PMPK, call and make an appointment.

Step 5. On the appointed day, come for the examination with the child.

What documents are needed for a speech therapy garden?

Documents for passing the PMPK

• birth certificate of a child;
• passport of a parent or a person replacing him (for temporarily residing in Moscow and a certificate of registration);
• four medical reports:
  • a child psychiatrist from the PND at the place of registration of the child (for children under 3 years old - a neuropathologist of the district children's clinic),
  • speech therapist of the district children's polyclinic,
  • otolaryngologist of the district children's polyclinic,
  • ophthalmologist of the district children's clinic.

If the child has previously attended a kindergarten, it is necessary to additionally provide psychological and pedagogical characteristics from this kindergarten.

If the child has previously passed a commission in another city or district PMPK, it is necessary to additionally provide a psychological, medical and pedagogical opinion of this commission.

The following specialists will see your child:

• speech therapist,
• psychologist,
• sometimes a neuropsychiatrist.

The task of the commission is to determine whether the child is really lagging behind his peers in speech development or whether the parents were simply reinsured. Or maybe they certainly want to enroll the baby in a speech therapy group, despite the excellent speech and development by age? It happens!

If the commission decides that the child has problems, then the question arises: which speech therapy kindergarten should the child be sent to? After all, diagnoses are different, depending on them, a group of children of a certain age is recruited.

For example, if a 4-year-old child has a diagnosis of "general speech underdevelopment (OHP) of the 1-2nd level", then the senior speech therapist looks at which kindergarten this year they are recruiting 4-year-olds with such a diagnosis.

And if a 6-year-old child has problems with sound pronunciation (hissing, whistling is distorted, the baby does not pronounce "r" and "l"), then such a child will be sent to another group - preparatory, where the program is different, and the requirements for learning outcomes are higher ...

For stuttering children, there are generally separate gardens with their own program and a set of specialists (there, for example, art therapy classes are conducted).

At the commission, the child is assigned to one of the following groups:

• stuttering;
• general speech underdevelopment (children with delayed speech development or gross lexical and grammatical speech disorders are sent here);
• phonetic-phonemic speech disorders (simply speaking, these are pronunciation disorders - cases when a child mispronounces 10-12 sounds);
• violations of the pronunciation of individual sounds (2-3 sounds).

So, your child will be examined and given a certificate of passing the PMPK.

Only after the commission, parents can breathe easy: on September 1, the baby will definitely go to the kindergarten.

In addition to gardens that are completely devoted to speech therapy needs, speech therapy groups are ubiquitous in ordinary kindergartens.

Comment on the article "How do you get to a speech therapy kindergarten?"

Good afternoon. The article is titled for me How children with speech therapy problems do not go to kindergarten. It happens ... We have the conclusion of this commission, but there is no registration in this city where we now live. And we were denied in kindergarten, by the way, even in simple, and in specialized medical care. That's it .... And it's true. Where to write, to whom to complain? That's the question.

1. We came to the clinic, did not pronounce p, w, sch
2.Take direction to the logo garden
3.In the logosad they gave a piece of paper which doctors should go through
4 the papers were brought to the garden
5. In May there was a commission, they chased us for some tests. They praised and asked which garden we wanted with a speech therapist, We told them.
On September 6.1 we came to the garden.
Classes are held 2 times a week alone with a speech therapist. A lot of tasks are given at home. Gymnastics with a tongue, fingers. And all kinds of speech therapy.
I am very pleased.
Despite the fact that speech therapists are being removed from the gardens, everything will remain the same. And a speech therapist and a psychologist.
And a nanny for 17 people. I was just lucky with the head, I defended the kindergarten.

I also think that it is better to study with a speech therapist in private, and go to the garden as usual, only there is also a problem to get there.

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Who needs to go to a specialized kindergarten

Children suffering from certain diseases and in need of certain care and special activities. This is what compensatory kindergartens offer. Of course, you can send your child to a regular kindergarten near your home, but there the additional needs of your child will not be met.

So, specialized kindergartens are of the following types:

• Kindergarten for frequently ill children - as the name suggests, this is a kindergarten for those who are often ill. The decision to send a child to such a kindergarten is made by the pediatrician based on how often the child has been ill over the past year.
• Speech therapy kindergarten intended for children with delayed speech development and other speech therapy problems. The direction to kindergarten is given by a speech therapist.
• Kindergarten for children with visual impairments children with low vision, astigmatism, strabismus, etc. can visit. A referral to kindergarten can be obtained from an optometrist.
• Orthopedic kindergarten Suitable for children with chest deformities, congenital dislocations and subluxations of the hips, lumbar scoliosis, X-shaped and U-shaped legs. Referral can be obtained from a podiatrist.
• V kindergarten for children with hearing impairment recruit deaf and hard of hearing children.
• V kindergarten for children with mental retardation accept children with a diagnosis of mental retardation (mental retardation) as a result of trauma, illness, or due to heredity. In order to get to kindergarten, you will need the conclusion of a neurologist (or psychiatrist), ophthalmologist, speech therapist and otolaryngologist.
• Kindergarten for children with musculoskeletal disorders intended for children with limited motor functions. These are children with cerebral palsy, paralysis, torticollis. In kindergartens of this type, complex correctional work is carried out aimed at the formation of motor functions. Children with the above diagnoses need special medical supervision, so they will not be admitted to a regular kindergarten. A referral to kindergarten should be prescribed by an orthopedist and neurologist.

How to get to a specialized kindergarten

The procedure for admission to specialized gardens differs from admission to ordinary ones. The first thing you need is a referral from your doctor. Then, with this direction and the child himself (without fail), you will go to the psychological, medical and pedagogical commission (PMPK). The commission will issue an opinion on the advisability of a child's visit to a specialized kindergarten, and if this conclusion is positive, you go with him directly to the head.

As mentioned above, the opportunity to attend a specialized kindergarten is worth the effort. Firstly, the groups in specialized kindergartens are much smaller than in ordinary kindergartens - 7-15 people. Accordingly, educators pay more attention to children. And secondly, by attending a specialized kindergarten, your child will receive exactly what he needs.

Specialized kindergartens also have disadvantages due to the fact that they are not always within walking distance. Sometimes the baby has to be taken to the other side of the city. That is why many kindergartens of the compensating type have a round-the-clock group. However, not every parent is ready to part with their baby for so long.

In short, where there are pluses, there are minuses. And what outweighs, of course, you decide.

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Comments (1)

Kinderok Thu, 08/09/2011 - 16:15

Lyudmila, discuss your concerns with the orthopedist who referred you to this group, perhaps your child could attend a regular or other specialized group.

What is a remedial garden anyway? This is a kindergarten for children requiring special medical attention, with developmental disorders with intellectual and motor problems, with poor hearing and vision, as well as with delayed speech development - correctional kindergartens in Moscow are aimed at adapting and solving the problems of such babies. These kindergartens employ people with medical education who specialize in each of these ailments.

However, not all parents are ready to admit that their child has developmental problems or a violation of one of the main sense organs. Many are afraid of the stigma “special child”, others are sure that it is necessary to send a child with obvious disabilities to a standard institution so that he, so to speak, “reaches out” for the children around him. But, unfortunately, parents do not realize that among those who are unlike themselves, the child will feel like an outcast, which can seriously affect the psyche and instead of further development, he will remain in place.

Correctional kindergartens in Moscow: an individual approach

If parents intend to send a child with a developmental delay to a normal kindergarten, they should not be denied by law. But moms and dads know that your angel will not be given due attention there. Groups of kids will run, jump and jump around him, looking with interest and expressing their curiosity with the words "What's wrong with you?"

In special kindergartens correctional groups are based on several programs. Especially for such children, specialists have developed an individual approach to classes and the attitude there is completely different. All programs are developed by doctors, they contain special exercises that help to correct the weaknesses of the body. Even children with a complex and as yet incomprehensible diagnosis of autism can be taught to adapt in society in such a way that few people will notice its peculiarity.

Unfortunately, there are not many specialized kindergartens in Moscow, but they are still there. By the way, who does not know, they are also called a compensating garden or a combined type - they are all the same, speech therapy kindergarten in the same category, but classes with a speech therapist are available in almost any kindergarten. Combined kindergarten № 1157, specializes in children with mental disorders. In the compensatory kindergarten No. 1026, all children receive a range of medical health services, strictly following the recommendations of doctors.

For children with visual impairments, kindergarten No. 972 is suitable, not counting individual lessons, private correctional kindergartens do not exclude standard child development programs: speech development, music, exercise, inventive and creative activity, etc.

Special program

Looking into, you will find early development centers with an emphasis on an individual program for children with certain problems. It is very important to understand that reluctance to admit your baby is not healthy enough, over time, can greatly complicate your life, as well as cripple the life of the child. Any ailment of developmental delay can be reduced if you turn to specialists in time, and stereotypes that in a kindergarten for the same as your child, he will not learn anything, can deprive him of the opportunity for a normal future.

Dragging out the situation will lead to a difficult form when nothing can be fixed. The whole point is that special kindergartens will provide worthy attention to every kid in need, and most importantly, no one will point fingers at him and ask leading questions. Remember this when you doubt whether it is worth sending your baby to correctional kindergartens in Moscow.

Almost every child will have to attend a kindergarten, but not all of them are admitted to a regular preschool educational institution (preschool educational institution). There are babies with certain health problems. For them there are correctional kindergartens... The developed programs of such institutions eliminate health problems, help children adapt, develop correctly, learn to establish contact and learn at a level with other children.

Who are they for?

Correctional preschool educational institutions differ in specialization, are intended for children:

1. With poor eyesight. You can get to such an institution through an ophthalmologist's discharge. As a rule, these are children who see poorly, suffer from strabismus or astigmatism.
2. Who often get sick. You can get to such a garden through a pediatrician's certificate. The doctor decides whether the child should attend a special institution. He does this direction, based on the history of the crumbs' diseases throughout the year.
3. Hearing impaired. Designed for children who are deaf or hard of hearing.
4. With disorders of the musculoskeletal system. Referral is obtained from a neurologist or podiatrist. It takes babies who are diagnosed with cerebral palsy, with a curvature of the neck or paralysis. It is imperative that such kindergartens carry out special work to restore and form the child's motor activity. Such children require a special approach and attention of specialists.

Other directions

In addition, there are other specialized preschool institutions. One of them is speech therapy. A speech therapist writes out a referral to it.

It is designed to work with children who have speech delay or a number of other speech therapy problems.

Another type of special institution is orthopedic. You can get into it through recommendations from an orthopedist. They take babies who have a deformed chest, congenital dislocation, scoliosis of the lower back, curvature of the legs.

How to get to a specialized preschool educational institution?

The main condition for this is a referral from a doctor, which is prescribed by a therapist, orthopedist or other doctor after observing the child, making a diagnosis and prescribing treatment. Education in a correctional institution is an additional method that is included in the complex of treatment.

After receiving a referral, a psychological, medical and pedagogical commission is required. She gives an opinion on whether it is advisable to go to such a kindergarten. If confirmed, the parents with the documents go to the manager, who defines the baby in the group.

Classes in remedial kindergartens take into account the problem related to the health of the child. There are much fewer children in groups than in simple preschool educational institutions. This makes it possible for such babies to receive more attention and care from qualified specialists.

A significant disadvantage of such establishments is the location. Sometimes the baby has to be dragged across the city. It is hard not only for him, but also for his parents. For such cases, there are gardens in which round-the-clock groups work. If necessary, parents can rest easy knowing that their child is being looked after.

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